. I need help! Will we stay together after we have learned our lesson together? my davison chart has our sun, mercury and pluto in the 12. frequently i hear what he says in my head before he says it. In the ninth house, it may indicate some crisis to do with spiritual teaching. I also have two stelliums in the 11th and 12th of my natal chart.a total of 8 planets (6 in Leo). Oftentimes, once we surrender to the powers of the 12th house, our lives are transformed by meaning, because those unlikely connections have brought us a wisdom beyond our time together. *Also in synastry- my Vesta conjunct NN in Gemini are the degree right before his Ascendant. We have an interesting stellium in the 6th Uranus, Eros, Ceres, and Vertex all within a degree of each other. A heavily posited first house suggests a powerful and active relationship. Im kinda tired of dancing with men who enjoy attempting control and am tired of the endlessly unavailable creatures that keep crossing my path in life. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Something is whispering in their ears. Im afraid that you would need a full synastry reading in order to make sense of the situation for you and your wife. You need a synastry reading to make sense of all this. Composite - Chiron - Lindaland - Linda Goodman Does that sound like enough glue to counter the 12th house effects? Thanks Dawn! I cannot think, sleep since i met him. Topic: Composite Chart: Moon and Chiron in the Seventh House: Solar_Leo_Queen Knowflake . The Moon/Mars (Virgo) sextiles a close Sun/Jupiter (Cancer) conjunction in the 10th, sextiles Uranus (Scorpio) in the 2nd, trines Ceres (Capricorn) in the 4th, and squares Neptune (Sagittarius) in the 3rd all very close aspects. thanks Dawn! Women may stay because they think, how the heck am i going to find a man Im this connected to? Covered Here: The Composite 12th House in the Signs Composite Planets in the 12th House Transit Planets in the Composite 12th House I feel there is no Karmic tie to this person, my intuition leans more towards twin flame type status. The empty space you decribe has me under pressure most days. The love you have for one another may be secret or private, and/or you are called upon to take a leap of faith in order to be with . Moon in Aries/7th, Saturn in the 5th/Aquarius. I fell onto another man after that whom I had a very deep dark sexual connection to and whom I shared a heavy 8th composite chart with. Moon and Mars both Trine Uranus. Chiron in 12th House: The Wound of Emotional Suppression and Sense of And this is where we must reach out beyond our small lives to touch the greater life that is possible. with "openings" into new interests and abilities that can be. Thats for start. I turned to astrology and within months I learnt a lot of things about this topic. . It can also mean, in this case, unconscious elements making themselves known via the Ascendant in mysterious ways. Much of the time, putting faith in one another brings you joy. When the transit Sun is in the composite 12th house, you may not give as much attention to the relationship, and instead a light is shone on things that have been hidden to the two of you. (I have my moon in Scorpio in the 12th house along with Saturn and Pluto). Thank You so much for Your answer! Only his Juipter is in the 12th, I have no planets there but also we both also have ceres and lilith in the 12th. !.the telepathy is overwhelming me. There are two conjunctions with ascendent as well. and then mars, Jupiter and neptune in the 2nd. My sun in the 3rd is squeezed in a T-square between Saturn in Pisces, in the 6th and Pluto/Uranus in Virgo, in the 12th. Fame has its roots in the 12th because that is where we can serve as an example of a prime archetypewe can embody the zeitgeist of our age. Loving and letting go, as well as maturing your love into a transcendant form of love where you are able to love so deeply that you give it the potential to annihilate you, yet you learn to let go and allow the natural changes in the state of our being has been a reoccurring theme of my life. this is a very arguementative aspect.it indicates that the two of you have vastly different opinions on most everything . Though many of the things you have said have been true, and there are challenges, I know we are committed to knowing each other and spending this precious time together. I like to think of Pluto more in terms of the battle between the ego and the soul. Beautiful article!! I have forgotten to say, as for HIS Lilith, its conjunct my Desc (orb -1) which is an interaspect I cant give meaning to, (too hard to analyse for me) but however, it also is a new lilith matter. This year in April we were introduced to each other by our mates. We have (taurus) mars-venus conjunction on the 12th house and it is so real in our life: we need so strong the deep intimacy and the so close physical and spiritual nearness together, and it is better for us to be alone together for our happiness. Thank you for this piece it is prompting reflection. Was our purpose to heal each other? so we find the True in each other. Juno in the 12th means that there are unresolved issues surrounding equality in relationship and some sort of sacrifice in relationships will be necessary in order to discover that balance. Im a Pisces sun 7house. Men with Chiron in the 12th House have a solid physical and mental constitution. The strong feeling of dissatisfaction also leads to feelings of emptiness-in actions and also in spirit. The doctors were able to revive her, but she suffered irreparable brain damage as a result. i give it much meaning because i really feel a psychic connection and a karmic fate, but again that could be just me since i have a heavy neptune but nothing in my natal 12th. We are from different countries and we live bliss for few moments and then a lot of despair and pain separated without any logic A tough road between Heaven and Hell! but thats life afterall! Any advice would be helpful. Thanks a lot Dawn, now I understand it. Past Life Indicators in Synastry and Karmic Relationships - Astrology I dont know why but i love him so much and sometimes I come up with things like dreaming of him to call me after a while he calls me. So sad! Felt and feels karmic, but alas, it was definitely not meant to be.for now. I am not certain this person is a fit but yet there are alot of coincidences between us that keeps me boggled on the larger picture. Also, if the relationship is not a good one, Sun conjunct Neptune is prone to self-deception and confusion at best and outright deception and betrayal at its worst. Jul 28, 2011. Overall the chart has a heavy emphasis on the 10-12 houses, and no planets at all in the 5-9 houses, with the exception of Chiron in the 8th house (which sextiles the MC and trines the Moon/Mars as well). I do all these within a synastry consulation. I put mars (Cancer) in his 12th. Haunting I really feel like there is a wolf howling in a forest at night and I hear his call , I know I am the female wolf and that the call is for me and I have to go to him now. But the problem with Neptune and XII house synastric connections, is that illusions seem to possess not your brain, but your flesh and soul. My concern is a grand trine in the composite chart, Mercury/Jupiter/Venus all conjunct in the 1st (pisces) trine Moon/North node conjunct in the 5th (cancer) and Neptune the chart ruler in the 9th (Scopio). Outer planets have to do with things that are beyond our control. When transit Uranus is in the composite 12th house, you may make changes together but quietly behind the scenes, with no one watching. The 12th house is the culmination of all that has come before itits our last chance, our last ride, and planets there can often go to extremes without knowing why (they can blame it on the limitless nature of Pisces, which respects no boundaries). And it KILLS ME! Sometimes learning from the mistakes IS the path. Chiron in Capricorn, Chiron in the 12th House - Astrology Owl Dear Dawn, thank you for this amazing article. I know he is devoted to his son more maybe than to his wife but he cares about him as well because he is a very nice man. Thank you for reading and I hope this story helps reveal more about the 12th house in composites. What is the difference between Midpoint and Davison as Your opinion? I would like to help you, but you would need a full analysis of the charts to know what is going on with this 12th house energy. I would very much like to ask a question about Sun opposition Neptune in a composite especially if it is found as double whammy in synastry.From what I have read from your articles that particular dynamic is extremely difficult to get a grasp of.However I am wondering what kind of effect would Pluto in the 12th trine Sun would have on that aspect in the composite which is also double whammy in synastry.Especially since Pluto is the ruler of the Ascendant and Jupiter,co-ruler of Pisces hits that angle.My question has to do with whether in this case the 1st house plays a heavy role in the chart and balances the chaotic power of Sun-Neptune or whether it is so fused with piscean energy that the plutonian core searching is not enough to get through the neptunian fog.I know that you should see the whole chart and that the question is a bit absurd but I think there is a pattern here and I would really like to know even your smallest bit of opinion on the matter.Thank you in advance. But someone who tells you they love you every day and tries to break up with you every month is clearly not. I dont know whether this situation is karma? If the fears arent dealt with (and the fears include loss of all kinds), it can get projected and the world itself can become the enemy. My first sister has Chiron in the 12th house of gemini, and she was 'born dead' due to suffocation from inhaling meconium. !Chiron is associated with the emotional wounds we receive early on in our lives. In our synastry my North Node/South Node axis is conjunct his MC/IC axis and his Moon conjuncts my IC. Twelfth house composites can work very well if the people involved understand that they must work together and make a contribution of some kind, even to simply show a good example of what a couple can be. Im sorry, Kyveli, but this is too complex a question to answer in the space here. I have learned to surrender much but our relationship isnt surviving, we cant let go altogether and cant seem to be together. A share a composite chart with a stellium of planets (Sun, Mercury, Uranus, and Neptune) in the 12th house with cusp on Scorpio. . I need all the help to understand I can get. His Pluto on your Ascendant is an intense experience, but it sounds as though Neptune is the culprit as far as youre concerned. Pemo Theodore - Unravelling the Mysteries of Love through the Composite Instant connection, followed by a break up 5 days after, followed by getting back together 1 week later, on and off, on and off formally breaking up in 9 months, and yet professing how we never stopped loving each other two years after that (If you want to find someone else, if you want to marry someone else, I will not stop you, but know this. In composite we have north node in 12th. I'm going to be discussing the characteristics of Chiron in the 10th house in the birth chart.Follow me Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/jaleel.darboIn. This is my take on signs that have two rulersthere is a higher expression and a lower expression of the signs energy. Composite Sun in the Houses - South Florida Astrologer In composite, we have sun, mercury and part of fortune in the 12th. So, one might experience a number of spiritual or religious . (anyone who has ever fallen in love and had planets with that person in 12th composite will know..). do you have any clue of what this means or should i just ignore it? He eventually ended it because he was afraid wed go into a dark place with each other again- our relationship was very intense, and my insecurities and control issues combined with his youthful sloppiness are what destroyed it. great post- thank you! Thanks! Those of us with composite 12th emphasized will be asked to step away from the mundane and step into the world of the extraordinary, where unlikely connections are day to day things. Often, Sun/Neptune relationships just fade away or dissolve without anyone knowing why. @ more very amazing thing IF this is still not enough proof: My Moon and Mars conjucts his North Node (fairly tight 2-3 degrees conjuction) His NOrth Node conjucts His own Pluto (good old Pluto might just kill me with his north node conjuction (i wonder if that is the plan here?) I can no longer approach love as wholeheartedly again. Composite Chiron in the 7th house : r/AskAstrologers - Reddit So to me, it's all about commitment issues. *Also in synastry- my 12th house Juno in Taurus also sits in his 12th house) You are great!!!!!!!!!!! There is a lot of love between us, much alignment in our dreams and life goals and a feeling of being soul mates and yet a strange disconnect emotionally that has us often feeling like we are on completely different wavelengths. One is more transpersonal and numinous, the other deals with our reactions in the day to day world. They are tenacious and will not give up until they achieve their goals. Mine is conjunct with his moon. The relationship has been on & off, again and again for 28 years. In our synastry chart, we also have exact Chiron/Venus opposition. The Chiron return arrives at age 50, bringing for many a. pinnacle of achievement, authority, boldness, and charisma. The 12th house has to do with summarizing and accepting all that has come before it, whereas first house planets are very pure, almost innocent, in their expression. Could I ask Your opinion? The ego thing is very true. Thank you in advance. However, Eros in the 12th may mean a less conscious eroticism drives the relationshipwe think we know what were doing but we may not, and may be subject to desires of all kinds. Our date was perfect but too creepy cause he told his very deep secrets and early regrets to me. The part about unrequited love was particularly interesting and that other part might not know what we exist. I thought that because of the 8th house or vertex, I forced him to confront his own dark side. I feel like I never want tk part from this man. The only way that you can figure out the main issue of karma in a relationship is to examine the nature of both Nodes and their rulers in the Composite, along with aspects to the Nodes. I dont have enough information, but the chart emphasis leads me to believe that you are right in your analysis, that the partnership finds its life in the upper houses. We find with the Clinton composite chart (see chart at the top of the next page) that the planet Chiron conjunct Venus in the 3rd house, which semi-sextiles . You need to work on bringing body and mind together, as a couple. This secrecy he is practising probably points to the venus-mars in composite twelfth ? It has been a long, hard road, but rewarding and with the planets in Cancer, SO hard to let go. scares me a bit. The 12th house is always complex and is different in how it manifests depending on the contacts involved. We grasp for the handrail, and find nothing to hold on to. People who fight for justice for others often have Juno prominent in the chart. Besides, his vertex conjunct with my sun and oppose w/ my moon. My english is not very good. There is still a sense that anything can happen though, very unpredictable energy. I have to come to grips with it (what you said) altough it is not an easy thing for me when it comes to love (being an Aries lol I want to love with a passion and not just except it as an idea). This man can be my everything and this feeling will not change. We had an instant connection, and I ended up in his apartment the first night we met. And you may then limit yourself for years, into oblivion. We are happy when were together but he took a job 2 hours away and moved into our country house which I have now come to hate. In our composite chart, Mars in 12th house Cancer square MC conjunct Mercury(10th) and the Sun, Venus(9th) & Mars square IC conjunct Saturn and Pluto(3rd). Ive seen couples with a heavy 12th house influence utterly befuddled and bedazzled by their lives (which dont go the way their friends lives go). She has great remorse about it and is seeking help to try and put an end to it. Our physical connection was addicting. For him, its TOO many of his own issues. It was emotional and intense, also warm and familiar at the same time. Composite Chart: More on Houses | Cafe Astrology .com One thing is certain, and that is planets in the 12th house dont behave like any other. Sometimes we will be asked to make leaps of faith. In my opinion the midpoint composite is not really true, because our midpoint chart doesnt show the very intense physical love what we live together. our composite mars-venus conjunction opposes composite uranus, sun, mercury all conjunct from seventh house. My daughter and I have a 12th house Sun-Moon conjunction (in Cancer) in our composite. the davison chart also has our moon, venus, saturn and uranus in the 1st. The working dynamic of the partnership is in the biwheel (how do you make me feel?) I feel ok about it but dont want to attach to it. I am so sad because I would have never meet him IF my husband and this man, and his wife would not become friends with him in church, ( I did not go to church for a while so I would not meet them!) I have always been very attached to her and have had strong needs for physical intimacy which she has resisted.